687 Doncaster Road - Real Estate

1800's G.S. Grover Real Estate


DP0145 | Gerald Grover's house | Photograph of the shop and residence of G. S. Grover, estate agent and orchardists' supplier. The premises were built for L. H. Smith in the 1880s. Smith was a bootmaker, but in 1900 he became a drawing teacher, visiting the local schools to give lessons. He also gave private tuition. Mr Grover purchased the premises in the 1920s. The property extended from Doncaster Road to Elgar Road, and on the Elgar Road frontage Mr Smith had also built another brick house about the same time. (Photograph mounted with caption) | Doncaster  Grover, Gerald Stanley|Smith, Lawrence Hislop|Doncaster Road|Scanned images | 

Source: DTHS Researchers.


G.S Grover established in 1919

Source: Ben Dawson, Dawson's Real Estate.


2024 Dawson Real Estate


DBText Database to be exported to Victoria Collections

 As at October 2024, 

  • our records data is being added to a DBText database.
  • our library collection is in physical card index form
  • our objects database is in multiple spreadsheet format.
  • other records (such as transparency scans etc) are being processed for online access outside the DBText database
We hope to transfer all these records over time to Collections Victoria.

In the interim, we need to extract data from DBText to embed into records (esp photos) as metadata. This involves
  • Export of records using DBText export settings where field delimiters do not get confused with characters used in the item descriptions. Currently we use:
    • string delimiter as carot ^
    • field delimiter as as a semi-colon ;
    • record delimiter as a vertical line, vertical slash, upright slash, pipe x3 |||
    • Need screen captures of DBText export settings
  •  The .dmp file exported from DBText needs to be cleaned of characters that will corrupt the import into an excel spreadsheet.  A spreadsheet is needed to allow import into Victoria Collections or to create aggregated text records suitable for embedding as metadata.
    • e.g. Registration Number; Museum Code; Collection Type; Publication Name; Negative Number; Other Number; Storage Location; Supplementary File; Title; Classification; Subjects; Brief Description; Inscriptions; Image; Date; Place; Author; Photographer; Publisher; History of Object; References; Size; Source; Condition; Condition Date; Condition Details; Name Cataloguer; Date Catalogued; Date Entered into DB; Acquisition Type; Donor Name; Donor Address; Acquisition Date; Date Acknowledged; Restrictions; Other Information; Purchase Price; Address; Date Entry Altered|||^dd6af11d2^; ^VDTH^; ^Local History^; ^Document^; ; ; ^Archive room^; ; ^Johann Joseph von Schramm^; ^Family History^; ^Schramm family|Schramm, Johann Joseph von|Schramm, Heinrich Friedrich August von|Schiller, Philline Johanne Marie|Schramm, Philline Johanne Marie von|Schramm, Joseph Karl Albert Maria Philipp Heinrich|Zimmernan, Julie|Schramm, Julie|Schramm, Max|Pickering, Katherina (Kate)|Schramm, Katherina (Kate)|Schramm, Victor Karl|von Dittrich, Klara Friedricke Johanne|Schramm, Klara Friedricke Johanne|Schramm, Marie|Weinzier, Marie|Weinzier, Markus|Schramm, Lizbeth|Schramm, Rhode|Schramm, Rahel Elina|Schramm, Roda Edith|Schramm, Joseph Arthur|Schramm, Ada Marie|Schramm, Victor Philipp|Schramm, Albert Paul|Schramm, Walter Thomas|Schramm, Hubert John|Schramm, Otto Edwart Victor|Schramm Jenny|Schramm, Walter Eric|Schramm, Dorothy^; ^Six photocopies of a handwritten family tree showing the descendants of Johann Joseph von Schramm, the grandfather of Max Schramm. Heinrich Friedrich August von Schramm is the one son of Johann Joseph shown. His wife is shown, and four children, their wives and children.^; ; ; ; ; ^not known^; ; ; ; ; ^A4^; ; ^Fair^; ^25/01/2002^; ^Handwriting difficult to decipher at times. The first copy is reasonably clear, some of the extra copies of the document are very pale in parts.^; ^Mack, Kay^; ^25/01/2002^; ^25 January 2002^; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ^25 January 2002^
  • Remove line feeds. Researchers sometimes add line feeds to fields as they type.  These are interpreted by the spreadsheet as new redords. We need to convert them to spaces before import into a spreadsheet.
    • Open dmp file microsoft word. 
    • Search and replace (Ctrl-H) any line feed (^p) with a space
  • Change record delimiter to a line feed 
    • Search & Replace ||| with ^p
  • Open Excel Spreadsheet "DBText Data Massage"
  • Select Data - From Text/CSV 
  • Check that data import screen has automatically recognised that the fieled delimiter is a semi-colon.
  • Click "Load"
  • The spreadsheet will probably import the data into a new sheet.
  • Delete the data in the sheet "DBText" but leave the empty sheet to receive the new data
  • Copy and paste the new data from the new sheet to the "DBText" sheet (so that the formulas work)
  • Delete the new sheet
  • Replace all carot characters ^ with nothing to remove them.
  • Now the sheet that depend on the data will be refreshed with the new data

Corroboree Reserve, Corroboree Place, Templestowe Lower

 Location-37.75959976335994, 145.10483522081068

Corroboree Reserve, Corroboree Place, Templestowe Lower VIC 3107  GoogleStreetView OCT2024



Corroboree Place and Corroberee Reserve, GoogleMaps OCT2024


Corroboree Reserve

Catering for young children, Corroboree Reserve playground features a junior unit with slide, spinner and swings. The Reserve is in close proximity to Chatsworth Quadrant local shops, Templestowe Pre-school and Templestowe Primary School. The reserve is fenced.




Line image of a Corroboree of Victorian Aborigines.   aborigines, aboriginal, corroboree, celebration, dancing, camping, campfire, possum skin cloak.
Location, date, creator unknown. 







Thiele Family

Frederick THIELE and his family.

Frederick THIELE was born at Doncaster in 1855, the sixth child of Gottlieb and Phillipine Thiele who were pioneer settlers of the district. He attended the school conducted in the Lutheran Church at Waldau where Max Schramm was the teacher. The transfer of the school from Waldau to Main Road in 1864 was effected during the time of his attendance. After leaving school, Fred worked on the family orchard at Friedensruh, and grew up to become one of the district’s most successful orchardists.

Early in his life he was sent by his father for professional training in horticulture at the nurseries of J.C. and T.C. Cole in Hawthorn where he learnt various methods of plant propagation. Fred was an innovator and introduced better methods of management to make the orchard more profitable. He was also a mentor to his brothers Edmund and Alfred, who in later years with Fred, worked the family orchard in partnership. At one time Fred realigned a section of Ruffey Creek below the homestead, digging this out by pick and shovel. Evidence of this can still be clearly seen in the creek today.

In 1889, Fred married Ada Yewers at St. Judes Church of England in Carlton. He would most likely have met his wife during the time she was assistant teacher to his brother Oswald Thiele, who at the time was Head Teacher of School 197 Doncaster.

Fred and Ada made their home in Church Road (north of Doncaster Road) on a property of 36 acres which the family partnership had purchased from John Beanland in 1885. Stone from a small quarry on the site had been used to build Holy Trinity Church of England in 1869.

Little is known about the original home, but it was always said by members of the family, that the oldest section had been a harbour masters cottage at Port Melbourne, and carted by dray to Doncaster.

Fred and Ada had a family of four - Everard, Laura, Genevieve (Viva) and Adrienne and a larger house was soon required. Fred extended his home by removing a small gabled section at the front and adding loungeroom and dining room of gracious proportions together with four bedrooms and wide verandahs on the north and south sides. This was built in Federation style with a slate roof and tall chimneys. The reception rooms were elegantly furnished. In its heyday, there were also extensive orchard outbuildings at the rear of the house. These were removed in later years when when the orchard was subdivided.

Fred had built a large stone cellar under his barn where soft fruit could be kept cool in hot weather to prevent overripening. To keep the temperature constant, cool air was drawn through underground pipes, from the the surface of a nearby dam, into the cellar. Tall flue pipes kept the air in the cellar fresh.

The orchard was enlarged in later years with the purchase of adjoining land from the Aumann family, and in time it became one of the best managed and most productive orchards in the district. Pears, peaches, lemons, and apples were the principal crops. On one occasion Fred Thiele won the Leader Cup, an award given by The Leader Newspaper for the best orchard in the metropolitan area.

In the early 1890s, Fred developed a variety of peach from a chance seedling which he named Thiele’s Cling. It became one of the most popular and widely grown canning peaches, and is still grown commercially today. He also brought the first Packham Triumph pear to Doncaster from New South Wales, and this tree was used extensively for propagation purposes. Many of the Packham pears grown in Doncaster originated from this tree. 

Fred also introduced the Trifoliata stock for lemon trees.  He grew this stock from a seed brought by him from Queensland in the 1890s. This stock, he always maintained, produced more reliable crops with heavier yields and longer living trees.

Fred was a manv of vision and foresight and during his life contributed much to the advancement of the fruit growing industry generally. He carried out many experiments on his property over the years, a number of these on behalf of the State Government. 

One of his most significant and far reaching innovations was the development of irrigation. In order to overcome the ravages of drought he constructed dams on his orchard. Water was pumped by means of steam power from a large gully dam to various hillside dams around the orchard. From these smaller dams water could be reticulated by gravity through underground pipes to irrigate all sections of the orchard when required. 

On one occasion when drought threatened frail crops elsewhere in Victoria, Doncaster’s thriving orchards attracted Government interest "See Fred Thiele’s orchard.”, Fred Petty advised the Premier. "Its like an Eden. Hell tell you why." Fred explained the local system and made a map of all the dams and depressions in the locality for the government.

Fred Thiele was a highly respected authority on fruit culture, and his advise was frequently sought by fellow orchardists. After a long day’s work in the orchard he would often spend his evenings answering correspondence from orchardists in other parts of Victoria and beyond. 
He served as president of the Doncaster Fruitgrowers Association where he was always an active member and also as President of the Central Fruitgrowers Association for twenty eight consecutive years. He was a noted judge at fruit exhibitions throughout Victoria and on many occasions represented the Doncaster district as delegate at local and interstate fruit growers conferences.

In his retirement, he devoted much of his time to the large flower garden surrounding his home, leaving the management of the orchard to his son Everard.

Fred retained all his faculties throughout his long life and was well informed on current topics as well as those associated with fruit growing. He never drove a motor car, preferring to use the horse and wagon. On one occasion while driving his brother Oswald to Box Hill, the waggon tipped over when the horse bolted down the steep incline in Elgar Road near Koonung Creek. It's passengers were thrown out and Fred sustained minor injuries. He always walked with a limp after this mishap.

Fred Thiele died in 1949 at the age of ninety three years. After his death, the property passed to his son Everard. It was later purchased by Wal and Rosa Wilhelm who lived there until recently. Sadly the house is now to leave the district to be relocated at Mount Macedon, but happily it will survive to enter a new phase of its history.

Source: Eric Collyer writing in 1996 12 DTHS Newsletter

Need images: 
  • View of Frederick Thiele's first home from east side of Church Road. In the distance is Schramms Cottage.
  • The Ambrose Street side, the new section with its verandahs and gables.
  • The rear of Frederick Thiele's House showing the original section.


Alfred Thiele's family in their Fabrique Nationale motor car at a picnic at Pound Bend, Warrandyte.  Photo undated. Mrs & Mrs Alfred Thiele celebrated their Diamond (60th) Wedding anniversary in April 1958.  DP0268